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come blast off in my time machine

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blast off on another episode of hero

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paranormal podcast

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broadcasting from the base at la madre

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mountain south of area 51 my name is

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ryan the original overseer of the

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airwaves bringing you an epic episode

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tonight

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today's amazing guest is chuck zakowski

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if you've read the book

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by ben mesrick called the 37th parallel

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well then i can stop right there just

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kidding but seriously chuck is exactly

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as motivated as the book makes him out

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to be aside from being a microchip

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engineer

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and sheriff deputy

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chuck is recognized as one of the most

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hardcore boots on the ground researchers

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out there and with good reason

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i had the pleasure of meeting chuck in

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the uinta basin of all places uh

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while he was filming the pilot episode

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of alien highway and i can attest

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that the reason chuck is recognized as

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one of the most motivated researchers

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out there is because it's true chuck

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zakowski has documented hundreds of

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bizarre incidents

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ufo sightings and cattle mutilations

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he is also in charge of the popular

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website ufonut.com

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where you can find all kinds of info and

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what chuck is usually up to

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chuck has been featured on many

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television radio and

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podcasts worldwide he is a wealth of

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knowledge and information and i'm

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excited to have him on the show chuck

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welcome to the hero paranormal podcast

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hey thank you very much for having me i

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really appreciate it it was fun uh

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shooting uh

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talked to other um podcasters actually

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about you ryan you know about some of

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the experiences you've had there and uh

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and how you were a wealth of uh

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knowledge while we were shooting

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actually we were shooting our um

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uh like the second episode oh okay

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yeah so we were we were already you know

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boots on the ground and things going

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but i tell you um you know we've we had

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a a few you know we did eight episodes

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of alien highway

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and um

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one of the episodes i was really looking

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forward to was that you talk

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you know your uh your your neck of the

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ground i guess you know i should say

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so i was really

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you know i do live in colorado so uh you

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let me ask you a question kind of

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jumping off point here you wrote an

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amazing piece on your website which we

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mentioned ufonut.com

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about the alien hydrogen hypothesis and

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this is a mind-blowing theory that may

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explain some of the activity in

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a place i frequent often which we just

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the uintah basin of utah can you tell

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our listeners and other places can you

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tell our listeners more about the theory

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yeah absolutely you know um

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you know i'm i'm always low to uh full

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of theories you know

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um the 37th parallel you know started

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alien bases and and

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why certain parts of the us may

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of of ufo sightings now ufo sightings

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but they've got to be coming from

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it's true there's you know there's uh

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what i believe and there's a lot of

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bases under water

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the earth has covered 70 percent of

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you know where there's been sightings

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cattle mutilation or animal mutilation

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source it would be a stream or a lake or

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in some cases large animal water troughs

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uh in cases where uh i've done ufo

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aren't really considered orbs orbs are

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more spiritual like

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if you watch a lot of ghost hunting

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shows ghost investigating shows on tv uh

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light or or the orb you know that's

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that's different an orb is spiritual and

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spiritual energy ball of light

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is more mechanical it's more like a

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probe and they've been around for a long

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time they've been seen all through

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history

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really prevalent during world war ii

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they were known as the foo fighters we

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psalm we thought it was a japanese

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lighter seen there's some type of a

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water source but you're trying to figure

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what's so significant about water

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ocean you know obviously they can go

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pretty far down into the ocean and have

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a base under underwater

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hundred feet deep or so or even less

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hiding there's there's got to be another

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atoms of a hydrogen and one of oxygen

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the air because there's actually more

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hydrogen in our atmosphere than there is

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oxygen and there's a lot of hydrogen

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use for propulsion or to sustain life or

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whatever but it always seems to be

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globe where there's a lot of sightings

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extraterrestrial highway that shoots

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little bit in the 36 but if you go if

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meaning you know some type of device is

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of what you're trying to do

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hydrogen from water you can take a glass

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going to get a mist eventually coming

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out and what you're doing is you're

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creating a hydrogen that mist is pure

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electromagnetic field but here's

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back as jl and heinek right who

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investigating ufos they were using

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compasses and then

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meters you know as the technology got a

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force backing him up so you know he had

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all the cool instruments back then

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touchdown

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or there's abundance of ufos in a

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certain area you will get

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electromagnetic field emanating from

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that area now electromagnetic fields we

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deal with them all the time our cell

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phones our tvs and microwaves

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electromagnetic fields are high

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frequency radiation

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so

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you know we we deal with them all the

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time but now if you want to look to see

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where

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there could be a possibility of an

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underground base there may be high

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levels of emf emanating from that area

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but because of of the

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mechanics and machineries they use

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now if it's near a water source or near

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a

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which would give you high emf

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so one way to try and find

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alien bases across the u.s first off is

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to see where our water sources are

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then we need to see if we see where our

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water sources are

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um you may want to look in that

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particular area and see if there's you

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know

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a lot of uf activity in that particular

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area and the other place would be your

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uh like i said natural gas and crude oil

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areas

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because it can be sacrificed also so

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it's kind of a cool theory i've been

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i've been you know working on it for a

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couple of years

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um

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you know

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pinpointing areas

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that that there's a high level of

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activity and as it be

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obviously uh we were talking about this

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kidwalker ranch

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water there definitely a lot of oil

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there bradshaw ranch in

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arizona um a place that i've

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investigated in missouri marley woods

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there's uh you know water source there a

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couple of other places so there's a lot

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of skin water type ranches across the

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u.s

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yeah and

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um

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chuck there's been a

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little bit of talk by some that

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soft disclosure has already happened do

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you think that's the case or what is

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going on here with the government

347
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seemingly taking some ownership for the

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idea that

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there may be something else out there

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what are your thoughts

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well the thing with that is

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is uh

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because of social media

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and it's it's a little harder now to

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suppress information

356
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when somebody sees something and they

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can throw it right on twitter

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and uh you know and and release what

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they've seen

360
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so in the in the old days

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my government used to suppress

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information from us

363
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and

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believe that

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uh during the atomic period when we were

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designing the atomic bombs and you can

367
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look this up it's so hard to find but

368
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you can find information on it

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that our government actually pulled

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words out of the english language they

371
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pulled wars like nuclear and atomic and

372
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certain words like that

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they pulled them from comic books they

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pulled them from any type of periodical

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they didn't want

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other countries to know that we were in

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a process of designing the atomic bomb

378
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so

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they have

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our government does have

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a way of of

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keeping information from us and then

383
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also from the longest time

384
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until social media became so popular

385
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there were certain words that reporters

386
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that that couldn't talk about certain

387
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things you couldn't say there was a

388
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blacklist or a hit list

389
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and back in the video and talk to the

390
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reporters and you're saying is this hit

391
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less true is this

392
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and there were certain words that they

393
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couldn't say

394
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especially during

395
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the space race you know back in the 60s

396
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so our government's really good at

397
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suppressing information

398
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now we've stepped to you know 21st

399
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century you know we're looking at the

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2000s now

401
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with social media everybody's got a

402
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phone

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camera they have a video camera they

404
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have a still camera so they're able if

405
00:16:04,310 --> 00:16:00,720
they see something they're able to

406
00:16:05,110 --> 00:16:04,320
you know capture that on an image and

407
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then

408
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tweet it out or send it out on facebook

409
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or or share it with a lot of friends put

410
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it on youtube

411
00:16:15,590 --> 00:16:13,680
pretty quick so it's a little bit harder

412
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to suppress information

413
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and some of the information that's out

414
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there

415
00:16:22,949 --> 00:16:20,480
uh it's pretty credible unfortunately

416
00:16:25,269 --> 00:16:22,959
there's a lot of bad information

417
00:16:27,030 --> 00:16:25,279
just for your listeners out there if you

418
00:16:29,829 --> 00:16:27,040
if someone talks about this really

419
00:16:32,389 --> 00:16:29,839
awesome ufo sighting right or bigfoot

420
00:16:34,470 --> 00:16:32,399
sighting and when you go to look at that

421
00:16:37,910 --> 00:16:34,480
sighting on their website you know they

422
00:16:41,030 --> 00:16:37,920
have commercials for it most likely

423
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you know that is not a that's not a good

424
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signing you know what they're you know

425
00:16:47,110 --> 00:16:44,639
there's a lot of fakers out there a lot

426
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of posers that want you to go to their

427
00:16:51,829 --> 00:16:49,600
sites because they make money off of

428
00:16:54,389 --> 00:16:51,839
hips you know as many hits as they can

429
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get from their videos or their audios

430
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and and the more times people watch

431
00:17:00,310 --> 00:16:58,720
their videos and listen to the audios

432
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they make more money

433
00:17:04,710 --> 00:17:02,160
so it always seems to be those

434
00:17:06,630 --> 00:17:04,720
particular cases where

435
00:17:08,309 --> 00:17:06,640
someone will be looking at an object in

436
00:17:11,590 --> 00:17:08,319
the sky oh look look at that and then

437
00:17:12,470 --> 00:17:11,600
the object does something phenomenal

438
00:17:15,110 --> 00:17:12,480
okay

439
00:17:16,789 --> 00:17:15,120
and most of the time that's that's

440
00:17:17,990 --> 00:17:16,799
that's just all fake

441
00:17:20,390 --> 00:17:18,000
because they you know they're making

442
00:17:21,590 --> 00:17:20,400
money off of that video

443
00:17:23,350 --> 00:17:21,600
generally

444
00:17:25,110 --> 00:17:23,360
you know um

445
00:17:26,549 --> 00:17:25,120
and it's funny too you know when yes

446
00:17:28,549 --> 00:17:26,559
when you see a camera set up in a

447
00:17:30,789 --> 00:17:28,559
certain area and then a big club walks

448
00:17:33,029 --> 00:17:30,799
by well you have to ask yourself first

449
00:17:35,510 --> 00:17:33,039
off why is that person got that camera

450
00:17:37,750 --> 00:17:35,520
in that area or even this guy why is

451
00:17:39,510 --> 00:17:37,760
that person got a camera pointed in fact

452
00:17:41,029 --> 00:17:39,520
you got to do a little bit of diligence

453
00:17:43,830 --> 00:17:41,039
to become a little bit of a detective

454
00:17:45,029 --> 00:17:43,840
and say okay what was the setup here you

455
00:17:46,630 --> 00:17:45,039
know were they just

456
00:17:48,950 --> 00:17:46,640
back in the old days

457
00:17:51,909 --> 00:17:48,960
you know with uh you know with the film

458
00:17:53,909 --> 00:17:51,919
cameras there was tons and tons of uh

459
00:17:55,990 --> 00:17:53,919
phone pictures that showed up

460
00:17:58,789 --> 00:17:56,000
in the aftermath you know they took a

461
00:18:00,310 --> 00:17:58,799
picture of a person you know posing and

462
00:18:01,909 --> 00:18:00,320
then when they developed a film they

463
00:18:05,029 --> 00:18:01,919
would see the ufo in the background

464
00:18:07,110 --> 00:18:05,039
those are pretty true images

465
00:18:09,590 --> 00:18:07,120
very rarely in a lot of cases they would

466
00:18:12,549 --> 00:18:09,600
see the ufos and take pictures of them

467
00:18:14,390 --> 00:18:12,559
but nowadays it's you know unfortunately

468
00:18:15,909 --> 00:18:14,400
you got to wait out all the fakers out

469
00:18:18,070 --> 00:18:15,919
there

470
00:18:20,310 --> 00:18:18,080
the other thing ryan is

471
00:18:21,750 --> 00:18:20,320
it's starting to turn out now that our

472
00:18:24,950 --> 00:18:21,760
our pilots

473
00:18:26,950 --> 00:18:24,960
people in our military on bases

474
00:18:28,390 --> 00:18:26,960
are starting to report this also on

475
00:18:30,230 --> 00:18:28,400
social media

476
00:18:33,029 --> 00:18:30,240
they're going around the system back in

477
00:18:34,549 --> 00:18:33,039
the day after world war ii everybody was

478
00:18:36,310 --> 00:18:34,559
very very

479
00:18:38,310 --> 00:18:36,320
um true

480
00:18:40,230 --> 00:18:38,320
you know to to the military and to our

481
00:18:42,549 --> 00:18:40,240
government you know if someone walked up

482
00:18:43,990 --> 00:18:42,559
a military and told you

483
00:18:45,110 --> 00:18:44,000
don't say anything about it you didn't

484
00:18:47,350 --> 00:18:45,120
say anything about it you know

485
00:18:49,270 --> 00:18:47,360
especially the roswell back in 47 that

486
00:18:51,830 --> 00:18:49,280
whole incident you know we were very

487
00:18:52,710 --> 00:18:51,840
very patriotic a lot of changes since

488
00:18:54,630 --> 00:18:52,720
then

489
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you know the the newer generations

490
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younger generations they're not as

491
00:19:01,590 --> 00:18:59,520
patriotic as you know

492
00:19:02,549 --> 00:19:01,600
as the older generations and so they're

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more

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liable to speak out against it this

495
00:19:08,870 --> 00:19:07,200
includes our fighter pilots and people

496
00:19:10,710 --> 00:19:08,880
within the military we're starting to

497
00:19:13,909 --> 00:19:10,720
talk about it they're starting to shoot

498
00:19:16,390 --> 00:19:13,919
it with their own with their own cameras

499
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and it's really really hard for the mill

500
00:19:22,070 --> 00:19:18,000
or for our government

501
00:19:24,470 --> 00:19:22,080
to suppress that information so

502
00:19:26,549 --> 00:19:24,480
they got to step up and start releasing

503
00:19:29,350 --> 00:19:26,559
you know and start taking

504
00:19:32,710 --> 00:19:29,360
you know basically taking the reins and

505
00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:32,720
and uh running investigations themselves

506
00:19:36,950 --> 00:19:34,400
to lose you know so they don't lose that

507
00:19:40,310 --> 00:19:36,960
credibility

508
00:19:42,950 --> 00:19:40,320
yeah they do and i know you have some

509
00:19:44,070 --> 00:19:42,960
area 51 stories or maybe i'm guessing

510
00:19:45,990 --> 00:19:44,080
let me ask

511
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a two-part question instead for our

512
00:19:51,430 --> 00:19:48,880
listeners what parts of area 51 have you

513
00:19:53,669 --> 00:19:51,440
been to if you have and have you seen

514
00:19:57,190 --> 00:19:53,679
anything that made you believe we may be

515
00:19:59,510 --> 00:19:57,200
testing reverse engineered craft

516
00:20:02,470 --> 00:19:59,520
well yeah i mean um i've been out here

517
00:20:05,029 --> 00:20:02,480
in colorado probably 23 years now

518
00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:05,039
and so about 24 25 years ago when i was

519
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in california

520
00:20:09,110 --> 00:20:07,360
um

521
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i i actually

522
00:20:13,669 --> 00:20:12,080
would a few times i i've been to rachel

523
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nevada

524
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and uh you know the black mailbox which

525
00:20:20,789 --> 00:20:18,559
isn't really black but you know that was

526
00:20:23,029 --> 00:20:20,799
the area where the mailbox was and that

527
00:20:25,270 --> 00:20:23,039
was where freedom ridge was and

528
00:20:27,909 --> 00:20:25,280
and i did a lot of research and back in

529
00:20:30,870 --> 00:20:27,919
those days there was a research center

530
00:20:33,830 --> 00:20:30,880
there at rachel nevada and it was run by

531
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a guy named glenn campbell not the

532
00:20:35,669 --> 00:20:34,960
singer

533
00:20:38,230 --> 00:20:35,679
but

534
00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:38,240
glen campbell and he had some pretty

535
00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:39,440
cool uh

536
00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:41,520
uh

537
00:20:46,470 --> 00:20:43,919
information that he had gathered

538
00:20:48,630 --> 00:20:46,480
studying area 51 he had a couple manuals

539
00:20:50,470 --> 00:20:48,640
out i actually have

540
00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:50,480
one of the manuals here that i bought

541
00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:52,640
from the research center there rachel

542
00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:54,480
that basically talks about certain

543
00:20:59,029 --> 00:20:56,400
things you would look for

544
00:21:00,149 --> 00:20:59,039
uh when you're researching area 5100

545
00:21:02,390 --> 00:21:00,159
room lake

546
00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:02,400
and which is part of nellis air force

547
00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:03,760
base

548
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:06,320
and and that actually worked for me one

549
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:08,880
time you know back in the day uh when

550
00:21:14,710 --> 00:21:11,760
radio shack was around we had scanners

551
00:21:17,270 --> 00:21:14,720
so we would listen to uh you know police

552
00:21:19,029 --> 00:21:17,280
and fire and

553
00:21:20,950 --> 00:21:19,039
paramedics on scanners now that was

554
00:21:22,870 --> 00:21:20,960
before digital before it all became

555
00:21:25,029 --> 00:21:22,880
digital so you would have a crystal

556
00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:25,039
radio or you were just listening to it

557
00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:27,760
and you would your standard would scan

558
00:21:33,270 --> 00:21:30,320
just be in scan mode sweeping stations

559
00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:33,280
and then you would pick up one of them

560
00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:35,440
you know stuff like that and you and you

561
00:21:37,990 --> 00:21:37,120
would lock onto that

562
00:21:39,430 --> 00:21:38,000
well

563
00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:39,440
back in the day

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uh

565
00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:42,799
along the dirt roads going into the

566
00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:46,559
gates of mary 51 they would know

567
00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:47,760
that people

568
00:21:52,070 --> 00:21:49,840
were were on that road even though it

569
00:21:54,470 --> 00:21:52,080
may be a mile away because they had

570
00:21:55,669 --> 00:21:54,480
fences on the road

571
00:21:57,909 --> 00:21:55,679
and

572
00:21:59,830 --> 00:21:57,919
it was interesting the sensor would pick

573
00:22:01,909 --> 00:21:59,840
up you know the movement of a vehicle on

574
00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:01,919
the road or maybe

575
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:03,840
i don't know how delicate they were if

576
00:22:06,070 --> 00:22:05,200
you were walking if they could pick you

577
00:22:07,029 --> 00:22:06,080
up

578
00:22:09,270 --> 00:22:07,039
but

579
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:09,280
i would take a scanner my radio shack

580
00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:11,520
scanner and i you just it would be

581
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:13,760
scanning and you'd be in your vehicle

582
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:15,600
driving slowly on the dirt road and the

583
00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:17,520
scanner would stop you'd pick up a

584
00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:18,559
signal

585
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:20,720
you would you know stop your vehicle get

586
00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:22,080
out and you would look at the left and

587
00:22:26,070 --> 00:22:23,360
right side

588
00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:26,080
of right out right there right near your

589
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:28,080
vehicle just outside the road

590
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:29,440
and

591
00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:30,960
you could find

592
00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:33,200
you know one of those sensors and it was

593
00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:34,960
pretty easy to find even if you had an

594
00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:38,000
emf meter back a day because

595
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:40,480
the sensor would be buried in in the

596
00:22:44,470 --> 00:22:42,240
dark but if you walked around you'd

597
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:44,480
actually find a battery and maybe a

598
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:46,400
solar panel or something to keep that

599
00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:47,600
battery

600
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:49,919
nowadays it's a lot different because

601
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:52,720
you know we're a lot more high-tech

602
00:22:57,990 --> 00:22:55,760
but i did uh i was scheduled to go on

603
00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:58,000
freedom ranch to take pictures

604
00:23:01,909 --> 00:23:00,480
of area 51 and then about the time i was

605
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:01,919
going to go to freedom ridge freedom

606
00:23:05,909 --> 00:23:04,080
ridge was land grabbed by nellis or by

607
00:23:09,270 --> 00:23:05,919
area 51.

608
00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:09,280
so um i uh i had hired a guide

609
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:11,840
and we hiked to the top top of tickaboo

610
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:14,400
peak i was probably the third or fourth

611
00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:16,880
person to hike to the top of thick boot

612
00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:17,840
peak

613
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:19,360
and off in the distance you could see

614
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:23,280
your e51 and i was shadowed by a

615
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:25,919
military person from nellis to figure

616
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:27,120
out what the heck i was doing there they

617
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:28,559
probably had

618
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:30,240
the

619
00:23:39,990 --> 00:23:36,000
i'm sure that you know that she was you

620
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:40,000
know bugged and so when i showed up

621
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:41,600
for the guy to take me to take a boo

622
00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:43,360
peek there was a couple of other

623
00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:44,960
individuals there that wanted along too

624
00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:46,880
i mean it was really obvious one was in

625
00:23:50,950 --> 00:23:48,000
camels

626
00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:50,960
and you know and regardless of of what

627
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:53,200
he said you know he was typical you know

628
00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:56,080
he was military and then afterwards i

629
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:58,640
talked to him after you know after we

630
00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:00,880
got back down from tigaboo peak i i

631
00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:02,960
talked to him in this in this trailer it

632
00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:04,480
was pretty funny

633
00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:06,080
but

634
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:08,159
when i was on top to take a little cake

635
00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:10,640
i was just using a 35 millimeter camera

636
00:24:16,149 --> 00:24:12,400
with a 200 millimeter zoom taking

637
00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:16,159
pictures i did capture something

638
00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:18,559
going over the base and it was pretty

639
00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:20,400
quick i got one image of it because it

640
00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:22,000
was moving pretty quick

641
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:23,919
and uh you know i had i had my camera

642
00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:26,640
set on uh not on automatic but you know

643
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:29,120
on sports mode to capture anything that

644
00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:30,720
was fast and just randomly taking

645
00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:31,679
pictures

646
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:34,799
but the funny thing was ryan was uh

647
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:37,200
was after we got back down from from

648
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:39,360
ticket boot cake and drove the 20 some

649
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:41,279
miles back to rachel where

650
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:44,240
um i had my trial i had an rv there that

651
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:47,520
pulled you know my chevy blazer

652
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:48,480
um

653
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:51,520
i followed the guy that was in military

654
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:53,520
using camels i followed him back to his

655
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:55,919
trailer without him knowing i was

656
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:57,840
following him and then once he got his

657
00:25:01,269 --> 00:24:59,200
trailer and he's there for a couple of

658
00:25:02,710 --> 00:25:01,279
minutes i walked up to his trailer and

659
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:02,720
knocked down the door and said kept

660
00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:05,039
ground security and when he opened up

661
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:07,520
the door i just looked inside

662
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:09,120
and that's when i knew for a fact that

663
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:10,559
he was a plant

664
00:25:13,909 --> 00:25:12,240
he said he was just some military guy

665
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:13,919
interested and wanted to go along with

666
00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:17,039
me in my vehicle on top take a look

667
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:18,480
but when i looked at his trailer he just

668
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:20,240
had a duffel bag and nothing else in the

669
00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:22,080
trailer it was just a metric trailer

670
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:23,600
they kind of gave me that gear and a

671
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:25,440
headlight look like oh

672
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:27,279
that's it so i'm not a threat am i he

673
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:29,039
goes now you know frank you're just some

674
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:30,559
ufo nut

675
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:32,640
right which is my website which was a

676
00:25:36,789 --> 00:25:34,480
license plate on my vehicle in

677
00:25:39,029 --> 00:25:36,799
california too and we sat down for a

678
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:39,039
good half hour had a couple of beers

679
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:41,279
and we talked off the record

680
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:43,679
you know so that was pretty cool

681
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:46,960
um since then when i did an episode for

682
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:49,200
unexplained file season 2

683
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:51,120
that whole episode was a paranormal

684
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:54,640
highway of america i got to talk to

685
00:25:59,669 --> 00:25:56,159
um

686
00:26:01,590 --> 00:25:59,679
an individual that that worked at r851

687
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:01,600
and um

688
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:03,200
and told me he told me some of his

689
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:05,600
experiences too off camera so that was

690
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:07,039
pretty cool

691
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:08,640
uh there's a there's a lot of stuff

692
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:10,799
going on i do believe

693
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:13,360
you know uh

694
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:14,880
you see you know

695
00:26:21,269 --> 00:26:17,919
that we had craft there

696
00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:21,279
and then we reversed engineering

697
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:23,200
i talked to a pilot

698
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:26,159
for that particular episode

699
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:29,039
that was flying near 51 foot in legal

700
00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:30,480
airspace

701
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:31,919
and

702
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:35,679
the tower had told him to veer off

703
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:38,880
you know to go to take a wider berth

704
00:26:41,990 --> 00:26:40,000
around

705
00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:42,000
where he was going which was an illegal

706
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:44,320
airspace and and he wasn't intruding

707
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:45,760
there's a commercial pilot so it was

708
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:47,360
like twa

709
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:49,039
and when they were diverting further

710
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:52,000
around uh he saw these objects come out

711
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:54,080
from the sky just like hundreds of like

712
00:26:59,590 --> 00:26:56,480
balls of light come from the sky

713
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:59,600
and and go in formation and land

714
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:00,960
on a hollow

715
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:03,200
holographic type of runway he

716
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:05,120
and i interviewed him for explaining

717
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:06,400
files

718
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:13,110
roger lear from lear jets and and he was

719
00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:15,360
a former pilot for the cia he also

720
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:19,039
talked about when he flew near area 51

721
00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:23,760
um you know he saw like a holographic

722
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:25,760
building with runways

723
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:28,559
so uh yeah you know then if you if you

724
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:30,799
if you believe bob lazar

725
00:27:36,389 --> 00:27:34,080
who said he worked at s4 at area 51 he

726
00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:36,399
talked about reverse engineering the

727
00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:38,000
sports model

728
00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:40,960
and we were using gravity a uh gravity b

729
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:43,200
waves we had gravity a waves gravity b

730
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:45,360
waves nobody talked about that you know

731
00:27:49,750 --> 00:27:47,120
using another element too that he talked

732
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:49,760
about you know a decade later

733
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:51,840
russians and americans

734
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:53,520
actually located

735
00:27:58,870 --> 00:27:56,000
and uh you know the elements he was

736
00:28:00,389 --> 00:27:58,880
talking about and now it's an element

737
00:28:01,830 --> 00:28:00,399
back in the days when mozart talked

738
00:28:03,269 --> 00:28:01,840
about it they thought he was just making

739
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:03,279
this thing up

740
00:28:07,269 --> 00:28:05,520
and even with gravity and gravity b

741
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:07,279
waves within the past few years they've

742
00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:08,799
talked about different gravity weights

743
00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:10,640
that we have and this is something he

744
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:13,760
talked about two three decades ago

745
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:16,240
you know that scientists now are

746
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:17,600
affirming

747
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:19,840
so yeah i would believe bob lazar i

748
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:21,840
tried to get him for them for the tv

749
00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:24,240
show and explain files at the time he

750
00:28:27,029 --> 00:28:26,080
wasn't lecturing he was staying kind of

751
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:27,039
quiet

752
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:29,679
but i seem to think once he saw

753
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:31,440
i'm not going to take the credit for it

754
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:33,279
but it just appeared

755
00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:35,520
coincidence that after

756
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:37,600
my episode one hour episode of

757
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:39,760
unexplained files after talking to

758
00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:41,520
roger lehrer and roger lerner talks

759
00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:43,360
about bob bizarre

760
00:28:47,590 --> 00:28:45,520
um bob hazard started coming out talking

761
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:47,600
again so i'd like to think that maybe

762
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:50,240
that particular episode sparked bazaar

763
00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:52,799
to you know go back on to the speaking

764
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:58,789
yeah it is an interesting uh very

765
00:29:01,750 --> 00:29:00,720
interesting story and case with bob

766
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:01,760
lazar

767
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:04,799
and um you know i am a sucker for

768
00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:06,960
interesting stories you've you've had

769
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:08,559
quite a few travels

770
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:10,480
in your travels have you had cryptid or

771
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:12,399
skinwalker stories or maybe even men in

772
00:29:18,549 --> 00:29:14,880
black have you come across any good

773
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:18,559
stories like that in your travels

774
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:19,919
well

775
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:22,960
kind of yes and no you know

776
00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:25,200
people talk about the men in black

777
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:28,000
and in my opinion men in black or are

778
00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:30,000
nothing more than

779
00:29:32,630 --> 00:29:31,520
you know

780
00:29:34,389 --> 00:29:32,640
the

781
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:34,399
security or

782
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:37,200
or the foreign government now i can tell

783
00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:39,600
you this that

784
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:42,399
um maybe maybe shadow people at one

785
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:43,440
point

786
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:47,200
um you know were considered men in black

787
00:29:52,470 --> 00:29:49,120
but we've always had

788
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:52,480
an organization within our government

789
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:54,720
that was suppressing

790
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:57,840
you know uh ufo activity

791
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:59,120
and then

792
00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:00,880
on hand or

793
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:03,279
trying to get it out

794
00:30:06,830 --> 00:30:05,200
you know to the public and they were

795
00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:06,840
running their own

796
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:09,760
investigations and

797
00:30:14,470 --> 00:30:12,240
recently you know 2017 or so we you know

798
00:30:15,269 --> 00:30:14,480
the pentagon came out said oh by the way

799
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:15,279
right

800
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:17,760
uh you know we've been investigating

801
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:18,720
uh

802
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:21,200
ufos and

803
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:24,240
and we've had such such of a budget

804
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:26,320
and most of that budget went to robert

805
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:28,080
bigelow and there's another story

806
00:30:33,029 --> 00:30:30,320
associated with bengal with me

807
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:33,039
but uh so robert bigelow was using

808
00:30:39,669 --> 00:30:36,480
majority of the budget for the pentagon

809
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:39,679
to research and or investigate ufos i

810
00:30:42,070 --> 00:30:40,880
can tell you a little bit about that in

811
00:30:44,549 --> 00:30:42,080
a bit

812
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:44,559
and that came out public and then

813
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:46,559
obviously recently

814
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:48,320
we we've known the pentagon's always

815
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:50,880
been kind of interested in ufology

816
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:52,159
now

817
00:30:58,149 --> 00:30:55,919
and when

818
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:58,159
um i was work i was

819
00:31:01,669 --> 00:31:00,000
investigating roswell

820
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:01,679
really

821
00:31:06,389 --> 00:31:05,039
california because it was easier to get

822
00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:06,399
to

823
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:13,600
couple times and and we did some

824
00:31:19,509 --> 00:31:17,039
archaeology digs for the sci-fi channel

825
00:31:21,269 --> 00:31:19,519
and the second one that that my sister

826
00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:21,279
and i did on our own

827
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:24,080
with a new university new mexico

828
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:26,960
cardiologist after the tv show

829
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:28,559
like finished taping and they were gone

830
00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:30,399
we stayed next thing did our own bid we

831
00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:32,480
found a piece of metal

832
00:31:37,269 --> 00:31:35,120
um where we wanted to dig and not work

833
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:37,279
evie wanted us to dig

834
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:40,080
and i went public on that at the roswell

835
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:42,399
pacific center and it was aluminum

836
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:44,640
silicon metal to trace elements of

837
00:31:47,669 --> 00:31:46,640
titanium

838
00:31:50,789 --> 00:31:47,679
and

839
00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:50,799
uh

840
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:52,399
to try and

841
00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:55,279
uh do have analysis on this further

842
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:58,000
uh who pops up at robert bigelow bass

843
00:32:03,269 --> 00:31:59,519
d-a-a-s

844
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:03,279
and uh and they they did you know they

845
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:05,279
they wanted the artifact to uh to do

846
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:08,080
further analysis now at the time

847
00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:10,080
we didn't know that bass was working for

848
00:32:13,950 --> 00:32:11,440
the pentagon

849
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:13,960
we found that out later you know

850
00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:16,159
2017-18 whatever

851
00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:18,080
but at the time we didn't know that i

852
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:19,760
had a suspicion that he worked for the

853
00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:21,600
cia when i was working

854
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:23,840
when i was with mufon i was one of the

855
00:32:27,190 --> 00:32:25,840
star team investigators a star team

856
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:27,200
investigator

857
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:28,960
you have you have uh volunteer

858
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:30,240
investigators

859
00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:32,880
uh working for mufon and then you have

860
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:34,960
the more experienced investigators or

861
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:36,880
the star team

862
00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:37,840
and

863
00:32:41,110 --> 00:32:40,240
robert bigelow

864
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:41,120
when

865
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:42,640
mufon came out and said we're going to

866
00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:45,039
start a tar a star team

867
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:48,159
a rapid response team investigators big

868
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:49,679
little that pops up says well i'm going

869
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:51,120
to fund it

870
00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:52,399
okay

871
00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:54,880
and when he started funding matter of

872
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:56,799
fact the very first star team

873
00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:58,799
investigation was mine

874
00:33:02,950 --> 00:33:00,559
was a cattle mutilation out here in

875
00:33:04,630 --> 00:33:02,960
colorado that had a ufo sighting

876
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:04,640
that was a very very first star team

877
00:33:11,669 --> 00:33:09,200
investigation that mufon had on them

878
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:11,679
and then so i assembled the team

879
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:14,640
and we went down to uh over to you know

880
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:15,840
uh

881
00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:19,600
waltzenberg oh western western colorado

882
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:20,559
and

883
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:21,519
when i

884
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:24,080
reported my findings afterwards um i

885
00:33:28,470 --> 00:33:26,159
didn't get paid for it because once

886
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:28,480
bigelow read their finances well

887
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:30,240
i'm only going to fund those

888
00:33:35,669 --> 00:33:32,480
investigations that you have actual

889
00:33:37,909 --> 00:33:35,679
evidence of a ufo and wow what a dick

890
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:37,919
i spent all this money went down there

891
00:33:42,789 --> 00:33:41,760
you know the star team investigator and

892
00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:42,799
you know

893
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:43,760
anyway

894
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:45,760
so at that time i knew he was kind of

895
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:48,880
shady and i had

896
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:50,880
inclinations that

897
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:52,799
he wasn't funding

898
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:54,880
the star team investigations or star

899
00:33:59,590 --> 00:33:56,399
team for mufon

900
00:34:01,830 --> 00:33:59,600
that it was he was more like

901
00:34:03,509 --> 00:34:01,840
funneling the money from somewhere else

902
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:03,519
and i thought he was funneling it from

903
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:05,120
the cia

904
00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:07,919
so i had you know i had

905
00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:10,159
thoughts about it back to them about

906
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:13,520
bigelow about not being trusted

907
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:15,839
and as it turns out i was correct

908
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:17,440
and you know it was just you know it was

909
00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:19,040
just one of these things you know my

910
00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:21,760
spider senses right my spidey senses

911
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:23,839
were telling me not to trust this guy

912
00:34:27,990 --> 00:34:25,679
but when he popped up a couple years

913
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:28,000
later after after the start to commence

914
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:30,480
well actually we during the star team

915
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:33,200
investigation we found out from other

916
00:34:37,829 --> 00:34:35,760
investigators across the u.s and when

917
00:34:40,069 --> 00:34:37,839
they submitted an investigation for a

918
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:40,079
start to the investigation and it was

919
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:42,000
approved because it had to be approved

920
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:43,919
not only through mufon but it had to be

921
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:46,159
proved through bigelow because bigelow

922
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:49,280
was paying for it uh when they

923
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:51,119
there was a good delay of a couple days

924
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:53,040
before they got the opportunity before

925
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:55,200
bigelow approved it

926
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:57,119
investigators will go out to do the

927
00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:59,119
investigation the eye witness is you

928
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:01,520
were already here eyewitness would say

929
00:35:04,069 --> 00:35:03,280
hey you guys were already here the other

930
00:35:06,069 --> 00:35:04,079
day

931
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:06,079
you already interviewed us and and the

932
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:08,400
mufon investigators said uh no we're

933
00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:10,240
here for the first time well it turned

934
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:11,680
out in a couple of really good

935
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:13,119
investigations

936
00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:15,599
bigelow was sending his own team that's

937
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:17,359
why there was a delay of a couple of

938
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:20,160
days before he would prove it because he

939
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:21,680
would say hey this looks pretty good he

940
00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:24,000
run his own team out there

941
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:26,320
and and jumped mufon

942
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:27,280
so

943
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:32,079
he's a nice guy i'm not knocking it you

944
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:33,119
know he's a billionaire i don't want to

945
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:35,520
get him out of me but he's a nice guy he

946
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:38,000
had his own siding when he was a kid

947
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:39,680
so he's got the money and he's just

948
00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:42,240
taking the reins by himself

949
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:44,480
would i do it myself if i had a bill you

950
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:47,280
know millions of dollars maybe you know

951
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:49,520
but um you know he just wasn't up front

952
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:51,200
honest with the people he was dealing

953
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:53,280
with

954
00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:54,079
and

955
00:35:57,270 --> 00:35:56,160
also around that time

956
00:35:59,589 --> 00:35:57,280
um

957
00:36:01,829 --> 00:35:59,599
after i did my press release i got this

958
00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:01,839
phone call that's just when cell phones

959
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:03,359
were fairly new

960
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:05,680
and you didn't have access to cell phone

961
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:06,800
numbers

962
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:08,720
so i would get a phone call on my cell

963
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:10,720
phone and be a very polite gentleman on

964
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:13,760
the other side let me say mr zukowski

965
00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:15,839
i'd like to ask you about your thoughts

966
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:17,920
and what you found out about the roswell

967
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:18,960
debris

968
00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:21,760
that you that you guys found you know in

969
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:23,200
six to eight inches dirt in the middle

970
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:25,040
of the desert

971
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:29,200
and not to be on anybody's bad side

972
00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:30,240
uh i

973
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:32,160
whatever you want to know i will share

974
00:36:36,150 --> 00:36:34,079
that information with you and i told him

975
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:36,160
everything i told him exactly what i

976
00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:38,560
found out my analysis how i got to the

977
00:36:43,349 --> 00:36:41,599
how i uh you know how what i did to get

978
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:43,359
those analysis

979
00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:46,400
and we had maybe 20 25 minutes on the

980
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:48,640
phone he said thank you very much i said

981
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:49,839
you want

982
00:36:52,950 --> 00:36:51,520
hey feel free to call me again you have

983
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:52,960
any other questions

984
00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:54,640
a couple of years later i get another

985
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:56,160
call

986
00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:58,720
i can't remember it at the same time

987
00:37:03,270 --> 00:37:00,160
but it was another

988
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:03,280
a male voice mr zukowski

989
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:04,480
uh

990
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:05,520
you've been doing a lot of cattle

991
00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:08,240
mutilation investigations i go yeah he

992
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:09,040
says

993
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:10,400
what are your findings what are your

994
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:12,480
thoughts once again

995
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:14,000
i'm not going to hold anything back from

996
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:16,560
these guys you don't want to end up you

997
00:37:19,829 --> 00:37:18,480
know you don't want to

998
00:37:21,750 --> 00:37:19,839
don't want to disappear you don't want

999
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:21,760
to end up dead like max spears did a

1000
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:23,040
couple years ago

1001
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:24,960
investigator in poland ended up you know

1002
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:27,359
if they found him dead in a hotel of

1003
00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:29,040
black ooze coming out of his mouth

1004
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:30,800
because he stepped over the line you

1005
00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:32,240
don't want to step over the line when

1006
00:37:35,829 --> 00:37:33,920
you do what we do

1007
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:35,839
so i told him what he needed to know and

1008
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:38,000
so i think what happened was

1009
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:39,359
is now

1010
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:41,119
in light of the pentagon coming out i

1011
00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:43,760
was probably talking to representatives

1012
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:45,760
people from the pentagon

1013
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:47,599
you know in that special

1014
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:48,640
unit

1015
00:37:52,470 --> 00:37:50,640
that was funding vigo i know it wasn't

1016
00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:52,480
big low

1017
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:53,599
per se

1018
00:37:59,190 --> 00:37:56,000
but i think it was uh you know

1019
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:59,200
people within that you know specific

1020
00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:00,720
investigative group that was being

1021
00:38:04,870 --> 00:38:02,960
funded by pentagon

1022
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:04,880
uh pretty excited about that so that's

1023
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:06,480
my brush with

1024
00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:08,800
you know yes i've been followed a couple

1025
00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:09,760
times

1026
00:38:13,990 --> 00:38:11,680
my sister's been followed

1027
00:38:15,589 --> 00:38:14,000
a couple of times but you these aren't

1028
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:15,599
if you want to call them mibs in my

1029
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:18,160
opinion the mids the men in black are

1030
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:18,960
just

1031
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:20,160
you know

1032
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:21,680
just agents

1033
00:38:25,030 --> 00:38:23,280
that they want to know what we found out

1034
00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:25,040
you have to understand that when we

1035
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:27,440
investigate ufo sightings

1036
00:38:31,349 --> 00:38:29,119
sometimes the ufo sightings we're

1037
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:31,359
investigating are could be

1038
00:38:35,589 --> 00:38:34,400
and have been black op projects for the

1039
00:38:37,270 --> 00:38:35,599
military

1040
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:37,280
you know certain areas i know of a

1041
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:39,200
couple of areas right now i don't

1042
00:38:43,589 --> 00:38:41,280
disclose it but i know of a couple of

1043
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:43,599
areas where i believe there is a skunk

1044
00:38:49,109 --> 00:38:46,480
works facility there two separate places

1045
00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:49,119
one in baton rouge and one in colorado

1046
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:51,599
because of ufo sightings once i realized

1047
00:38:55,510 --> 00:38:52,960
you know what

1048
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:55,520
you know that's military you know that's

1049
00:38:59,109 --> 00:38:57,359
guns horse they're doing blah blah you

1050
00:38:59,710 --> 00:38:59,119
know like the stealth fighter you know

1051
00:39:03,910 --> 00:38:59,720
the

1052
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:03,920
that was

1053
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:06,320
so i don't want to

1054
00:39:10,230 --> 00:39:08,400
i don't want to release or come out with

1055
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:10,240
any information if i believe it's a

1056
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,000
military base

1057
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:14,400
why because i don't want to put you know

1058
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:15,280
i

1059
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:23,839
you know technology they can get to keep

1060
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:26,160
them safe and keep all our soldiers safe

1061
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:29,520
so you know why ruin that by you know

1062
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:31,760
now as an experienced investigator i can

1063
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:33,760
tell the difference between what could

1064
00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:35,359
be military

1065
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:37,920
and what could be not military and that

1066
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:39,599
would be my background in microchip

1067
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:42,880
design i know what we should have

1068
00:39:47,589 --> 00:39:45,520
i know what we could have because i know

1069
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:47,599
what i'm designing i've been on design

1070
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:48,800
teams for

1071
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:50,560
the deep space probe and the spy

1072
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:53,280
satellite so i have an idea

1073
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:55,440
i'm one of the few lucky ones that can

1074
00:39:58,390 --> 00:39:56,480
say

1075
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:58,400
you know

1076
00:40:02,230 --> 00:40:00,079
okay i'm not going there because i

1077
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:02,240
believe it's going to be military you

1078
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:03,839
know

1079
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:07,520
sightings out here

1080
00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:10,800
you know i'll just go on for the next

1081
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:12,560
man's shadow exactly

1082
00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:14,160
i have been shadowed

1083
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:19,750
yeah and

1084
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:22,400
i you know i'm with you i i

1085
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:24,560
agree that our military should have the

1086
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:26,720
best of everything and at the advantage

1087
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:29,200
as well and chuck let's talk gear for a

1088
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:31,040
minute because you always have the

1089
00:40:36,309 --> 00:40:33,680
sweetest gear um what kind of camera are

1090
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:36,319
you typically using to shoot ufos these

1091
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:37,680
days

1092
00:40:42,069 --> 00:40:40,480
well i mean i have a really cool uh i

1093
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:42,079
think it's a

1094
00:40:47,109 --> 00:40:45,200
this is the 14th canon i use that for

1095
00:40:52,069 --> 00:40:47,119
interviews and stuff and i have wireless

1096
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:52,079
mics for that um i have an aurora

1097
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:53,760
pro 4

1098
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:56,640
it's about 900 dollars it's a small

1099
00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:00,960
camera and it shoots uh it's just

1100
00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:02,400
day and night vision the shoot night

1101
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:03,760
vision in color

1102
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:06,160
uh it works out pretty well i have a

1103
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:07,920
couple oh i just acquired a couple of

1104
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:09,520
hero 10s

1105
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:13,839
uh if people are going to buy

1106
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:16,000
now what i like about gopros

1107
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:18,480
and this is what i don't like

1108
00:41:22,630 --> 00:41:21,680
about these ghost shows on tv

1109
00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:22,640
and

1110
00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:23,920
we did something a little bit different

1111
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:25,760
with alien highway

1112
00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:28,319
well when we ventured out

1113
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:30,160
i was with the cameraman we always made

1114
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:31,760
sure we had a camera on us when my son

1115
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:33,599
ventured out on his own

1116
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:37,599
um we attached a gopro to his chest

1117
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:39,920
yeah if he saw something

1118
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:42,880
it was picked up on on a gopro when

1119
00:41:48,309 --> 00:41:45,920
you're watching goofy and i

1120
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:48,319
god i'm so frustrated with these guys

1121
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:50,400
because the majority ninety percent of

1122
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:52,000
the evidence they claim they can't say

1123
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:53,440
if not

1124
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:55,200
houses creak

1125
00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:57,680
shadows they say they saw a shadow

1126
00:42:02,870 --> 00:41:59,920
cameras don't pick them up all about

1127
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:02,880
you know a good investigator will attach

1128
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:05,760
a damn gopro to his forehead or to his

1129
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:08,640
chest so if he sees something we get to

1130
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:11,680
see it too oh my god did you see that no

1131
00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:12,800
we didn't because you don't have a

1132
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:13,760
camera

1133
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:15,839
you just have to take your word for it

1134
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:18,880
so in my investigations you know i strap

1135
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:21,119
a gopro to my chest

1136
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:23,040
so if i see something there's evidence

1137
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:25,040
of that's why we do it that's the whole

1138
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:27,359
reason of being an investigator gopro

1139
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:30,720
hero 10. nines right now it's a good

1140
00:42:35,829 --> 00:42:32,720
price on nines right now

1141
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:35,839
but spend a couple extra dollars and get

1142
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:38,240
the 10 the reason why the 10's got a new

1143
00:42:42,309 --> 00:42:40,240
microprocessor

1144
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:42,319
and there's a lot of cool things that

1145
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:44,720
that new camera will do the last macro

1146
00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:47,200
processor i think was from hero five to

1147
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:49,280
nine so you're buying something that's

1148
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:50,400
outdated

1149
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:52,640
if you don't you don't care

1150
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:53,839
you know and you're just using it for

1151
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:55,280
vacations

1152
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:57,599
go with the nine that's fine but if you

1153
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:59,280
know you you uh you want to use

1154
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:00,720
something a little better so i have two

1155
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:03,839
local hero 10s in the night vision at

1156
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:06,400
night there's a binoculars i have a

1157
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:08,880
multitude of emf meters

1158
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:09,920
um

1159
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:14,400
i have you know uh metal detecting wand

1160
00:43:19,829 --> 00:43:17,680
metal detector uh gosh i turn around and

1161
00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:19,839
probably look at all my gear behind me

1162
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:22,160
you know there's

1163
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:24,160
uh i have a

1164
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:26,560
full spectrum camera so this is kind of

1165
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:28,480
cool now these are not something that

1166
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:30,800
you can just want to have a flare camera

1167
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:31,599
um

1168
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:35,440
using this for a couple times now you

1169
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:37,599
have to buy aftermarket stuff if you

1170
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:40,560
want to shoot full spectrum

1171
00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:42,079
excuse me now full spectrum generally

1172
00:43:45,190 --> 00:43:43,040
have to shoot at night because it's

1173
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:45,200
ultraviolet uv

1174
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:46,000
but

1175
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:48,400
if you uh what i did is i found a camera

1176
00:43:54,150 --> 00:43:51,440
that i could put a lens on that has the

1177
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:54,160
threads on the camera shaking screw lens

1178
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:55,280
on and

1179
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:57,040
that probably goes back to

1180
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:59,440
i have a i have a telescope so i'm an

1181
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:01,440
amateur astronomer and they we use

1182
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:02,960
lenses all the time

1183
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:04,640
filters when you look at you know

1184
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:06,000
different nebulas to bring out the

1185
00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:12,550
so um i found a

1186
00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:15,359
lens that blocks out all the white light

1187
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:18,640
so i screw that onto my

1188
00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:21,119
full spectrum camera that way i can

1189
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:23,119
shoot during a daytime

1190
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:26,880
and i can shoot uv and ir during daytime

1191
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:28,800
blocking out the white light now why

1192
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:30,640
would i do that because i'm looking for

1193
00:44:35,349 --> 00:44:33,520
evidence that our eyes don't see

1194
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:35,359
when you use a regular camera and you're

1195
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:38,000
doing a ufo investigation i can tell you

1196
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:39,839
i'm not with the

1197
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:42,000
you know sheriff's department anymore

1198
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:43,520
i was with them for eight years as a

1199
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:45,520
volunteer deputy

1200
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:47,760
but the one thing that detectives

1201
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:50,400
use right law enforcement detectives

1202
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:52,240
is the whole purpose of a detective is

1203
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:54,400
to try and find evidence

1204
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:56,160
that's there

1205
00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:58,079
and they have to look for it

1206
00:45:02,790 --> 00:45:00,240
now the thing about being a cop or or

1207
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:02,800
going into being a detective is there's

1208
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:04,319
hundreds and hundreds of books on how to

1209
00:45:09,030 --> 00:45:06,400
be a cop and how to be a detective

1210
00:45:10,710 --> 00:45:09,040
and every crime that's committed there's

1211
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:10,720
evidence left there

1212
00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:12,319
now it's up to the detective to try and

1213
00:45:16,470 --> 00:45:14,319
find the evidence that's left there to

1214
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:16,480
find out who committed the crime

1215
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:18,880
well if you look at your phones that way

1216
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:20,720
and and something touched down or

1217
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:23,680
something was here and people saw it

1218
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:26,560
we know there's evidence there now as an

1219
00:45:30,069 --> 00:45:28,560
investigator we have to figure out okay

1220
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:30,079
we know it's evidence that we can't see

1221
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:31,040
it

1222
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:32,400
but there's evidence there so we have to

1223
00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:34,240
figure out okay

1224
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:36,240
how can we find something we can't see

1225
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:38,480
how can we find something we don't know

1226
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:40,240
about how can we find evidence that we

1227
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:41,520
don't know what to have been better than

1228
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:44,319
it is but we know it's evidence there

1229
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:49,910
just uh

1230
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:52,319
thinking analytically okay

1231
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:54,319
so one way is using a full spectrum

1232
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:55,440
camera

1233
00:45:59,589 --> 00:45:57,040
and hoping that maybe there might be

1234
00:46:01,829 --> 00:45:59,599
evidence there that you and i can't see

1235
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:01,839
but the camera can pick up so stuff like

1236
00:46:05,670 --> 00:46:03,599
that emf meter

1237
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:05,680
you know that's the same thing we use

1238
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:07,920
emf meters all the time

1239
00:46:12,309 --> 00:46:10,000
outside of skin locker

1240
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:12,319
when we shot with you we picked up high

1241
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:15,359
levels of emf outside skin walker ranch

1242
00:46:19,030 --> 00:46:18,000
well cool place right but as you know

1243
00:46:21,030 --> 00:46:19,040
ryan

1244
00:46:23,109 --> 00:46:21,040
that's not the central the activity

1245
00:46:25,589 --> 00:46:23,119
that's just one of the spots

1246
00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:25,599
of where activity is you could probably

1247
00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:27,520
be at least a five mile radius of that

1248
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:30,319
place and catch just as much evidence as

1249
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:32,240
what they catch on skidmark

1250
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:33,920
right

1251
00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:35,760
yeah i mean you saw your evidence that

1252
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:39,520
you saw what you saw wasn't that correct

1253
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:49,109
i'm gonna let you talk for a second so i

1254
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:51,760
can ship some coffee you bet and you

1255
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:54,400
know you've researched many of the

1256
00:46:57,430 --> 00:46:55,680
places

1257
00:46:59,430 --> 00:46:57,440
that are my favorites

1258
00:47:02,950 --> 00:46:59,440
and one of my favorite states for ufos

1259
00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:02,960
is obviously colorado and um

1260
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:03,760
it's

1261
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:07,440
one of the states with one of the deep

1262
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:09,520
underground military bases that have

1263
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:11,760
been disclosed which is cheyenne

1264
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:13,520
mountain and

1265
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:15,040
are there any mind

1266
00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:17,440
bending events or bizarre incidents you

1267
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:19,280
can tell us about that

1268
00:47:23,910 --> 00:47:21,839
made an impression on you out of all the

1269
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:23,920
probably wild stuff that you've come

1270
00:47:28,069 --> 00:47:26,240
across in colorado

1271
00:47:31,109 --> 00:47:28,079
well you know i'm gonna have to say

1272
00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:31,119
animal mutilations now i've seen

1273
00:47:36,829 --> 00:47:33,760
i've seen ufos i've seen a craft

1274
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:36,839
i think it was ours the way that i was

1275
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:39,119
maneuvering and it came from an area

1276
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:40,960
where i think it was a skunk works

1277
00:47:44,549 --> 00:47:42,240
facility

1278
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:44,559
so i'm just saying i think the only

1279
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:47,520
metallic trap i think i saw really cool

1280
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:49,520
looking pretty awesome looking i think

1281
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:51,680
it might have been more than large or

1282
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:53,200
could have been one of those

1283
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:55,680
you know uh ones that were

1284
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:57,280
reverse engineered

1285
00:48:00,790 --> 00:47:58,319
okay

1286
00:48:02,230 --> 00:48:00,800
the um i've seen balls of light and i've

1287
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:02,240
recorded them

1288
00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:03,040
and

1289
00:48:10,549 --> 00:48:08,079
outsider roswell

1290
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:10,559
actually communicated with the ufo or

1291
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:12,000
light in the sky

1292
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:14,160
you know about 9 30 a quarter 10 at

1293
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:15,280
night

1294
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:18,720
we were you know basically

1295
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:20,640
flashing that part my headlights on my

1296
00:48:24,390 --> 00:48:22,400
truck and it was flashing back and we

1297
00:48:26,549 --> 00:48:24,400
were going back and forth and the

1298
00:48:28,630 --> 00:48:26,559
hit the fan after that that's a pretty

1299
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:28,640
cool story

1300
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:29,839
out here in

1301
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:31,680
in colorado

1302
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:34,079
at where i've seen life as a bigfoot

1303
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:35,920
investigations and i've done those

1304
00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:37,359
investigations

1305
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:39,200
um it's the cattle emulation stuff

1306
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:41,040
that's really bizarre

1307
00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:42,240
because

1308
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:44,480
the majority of the ranchers that i've

1309
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:45,599
dealt with

1310
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:48,480
are second third generation ranchers and

1311
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:49,440
they know

1312
00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:52,480
how an animal dies naturally

1313
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:54,720
or how it could be poisoned but when

1314
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:56,640
they see something

1315
00:48:58,870 --> 00:48:57,599
that's

1316
00:49:01,270 --> 00:48:58,880
a play

1317
00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:01,280
off the wall never seen before in their

1318
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:03,920
life it scares the hell out of them

1319
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:05,680
because something out there is killing

1320
00:49:09,670 --> 00:49:07,760
an 1100 pound animal

1321
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:09,680
draining it of blood

1322
00:49:11,660 --> 00:49:11,200
cutting it up

1323
00:49:12,870 --> 00:49:11,670
and

1324
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:12,880
[Music]

1325
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:15,119
it's sitting there and and they don't

1326
00:49:18,470 --> 00:49:16,960
know what to do

1327
00:49:19,829 --> 00:49:18,480
um there's other things involved in

1328
00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:19,839
animal issues we could probably do a

1329
00:49:22,549 --> 00:49:21,359
whole other hour on just animal

1330
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:22,559
mutilations

1331
00:49:25,589 --> 00:49:24,319
you know of what's an adult mutilation

1332
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:25,599
and what's not

1333
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:28,160
but i've i've investigated

1334
00:49:31,990 --> 00:49:30,880
uh dead cows dead horses

1335
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:32,000
goats

1336
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:35,040
dogs so it's just not sound

1337
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:37,200
it's it's bizarre and then in a lot of

1338
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:38,880
cases

1339
00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:41,520
balls of lighter scene one one case of

1340
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:44,160
craft was seen before the mutilation

1341
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:46,079
most of the time they're balls of light

1342
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:47,920
that are seen before

1343
00:49:51,990 --> 00:49:50,480
a mutilation occurs maybe a month maybe

1344
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:52,000
two weeks before

1345
00:49:56,309 --> 00:49:55,520
and then in some cases in colorado also

1346
00:50:01,829 --> 00:49:56,319
in

1347
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:01,839
about this

1348
00:50:06,790 --> 00:50:03,839
that a black helicopters unmarked

1349
00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:06,800
helicopters will show up afterwards

1350
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:08,880
now for those people out there that are

1351
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:10,480
saying well it's the helicopters that

1352
00:50:14,309 --> 00:50:12,000
are doing it and they're and they're

1353
00:50:16,710 --> 00:50:14,319
marking their next couch okay just who's

1354
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:16,720
ever saying that just put your hand

1355
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:18,720
push it through the internet slap on the

1356
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:20,079
side of the face

1357
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:22,240
to knock some ascension to them because

1358
00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:23,280
they don't know what they're talking

1359
00:50:25,750 --> 00:50:24,960
about they haven't been doing this 35

1360
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:25,760
years

1361
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:28,319
you know they're just speculating

1362
00:50:31,990 --> 00:50:30,319
whatever for whatever reason

1363
00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:32,000
it goes back to these guys are running

1364
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:34,160
their own investigations

1365
00:50:37,510 --> 00:50:36,480
so when these unmarked helicopters show

1366
00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:37,520
up

1367
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:39,280
and they have

1368
00:50:43,270 --> 00:50:41,680
on a few of my investigations after the

1369
00:50:44,710 --> 00:50:43,280
fact

1370
00:50:46,950 --> 00:50:44,720
they'll show up

1371
00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:46,960
and they'll run their own investigation

1372
00:50:50,549 --> 00:50:49,280
usually at night they'll the helicopter

1373
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:50,559
will hover over

1374
00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:52,400
the area where the mutilation

1375
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:53,440
occurred

1376
00:50:58,390 --> 00:50:55,680
and they have some pretty high

1377
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:58,400
instruments i'm guessing

1378
00:51:01,510 --> 00:50:59,520
you know

1379
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:01,520
and running their own investigations

1380
00:51:05,829 --> 00:51:03,839
generally they do it afterwards because

1381
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:05,839
they don't know about right

1382
00:51:09,750 --> 00:51:07,680
you know once i do them and i put them

1383
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:09,760
on the website or once they they go

1384
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:11,680
public and they're in the media now they

1385
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:13,599
know about it you know they're just you

1386
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:15,040
know they don't have this giant

1387
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:17,280
satellite up there keeping track

1388
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:18,640
they do

1389
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:20,800
and they may catch something

1390
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:22,640
you know if they may catch some activity

1391
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:24,480
in a certain area

1392
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:26,640
uh and they can go look in that

1393
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:28,720
particular area for what happened there

1394
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:29,920
and it turned out it could be a

1395
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:31,440
mutilation

1396
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:32,960
because i know from a fact from working

1397
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:35,440
on the spy satellite that the murray you

1398
00:51:39,190 --> 00:51:38,000
can see it well um

1399
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:39,200
you know for all your listeners out

1400
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:41,200
there i mean we just had that massive

1401
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:45,359
volcano off the coast of tonga right

1402
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:48,160
and capture some awesome real-time

1403
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:50,800
satellite images of this volcano

1404
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:52,800
erupting under water

1405
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:54,480
and the eruption

1406
00:51:59,910 --> 00:51:57,599
underwater is larger than texas

1407
00:52:02,710 --> 00:51:59,920
so you know we have

1408
00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:02,720
you know spy satellites that are real

1409
00:52:06,309 --> 00:52:04,240
time

1410
00:52:09,510 --> 00:52:06,319
not just taking pictures there are they

1411
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:11,270
it's unbelievable

1412
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:13,920
and you know a lot

1413
00:52:18,309 --> 00:52:16,240
it really is the

1414
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:18,319
a lot of the research is going in all

1415
00:52:22,870 --> 00:52:20,160
kinds of different directions

1416
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:22,880
when it comes to ufos and uaps as

1417
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:25,839
they're calling them and it is uh i'm

1418
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:27,280
seeing a lot going into the

1419
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:30,000
consciousness route it's almost become a

1420
00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:31,680
catchphrase do you think that

1421
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:33,680
consciousness is the future of ufo

1422
00:52:40,150 --> 00:52:38,790
you know that's kind of hard to say i

1423
00:52:42,069 --> 00:52:40,160
mean you know there's always been

1424
00:52:44,630 --> 00:52:42,079
something involved in that when you get

1425
00:52:46,950 --> 00:52:44,640
into the metaphysical side

1426
00:52:49,589 --> 00:52:46,960
you know um

1427
00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:49,599
but i mean uap the word uap has been

1428
00:52:54,150 --> 00:52:52,079
around since the 1950s something the air

1429
00:52:55,510 --> 00:52:54,160
force has started ufo was picked up in

1430
00:52:57,510 --> 00:52:55,520
47

1431
00:52:59,589 --> 00:52:57,520
you know at the width of mount rainier

1432
00:53:01,270 --> 00:52:59,599
sighting

1433
00:53:03,030 --> 00:53:01,280
but um

1434
00:53:04,710 --> 00:53:03,040
yeah you know i

1435
00:53:08,230 --> 00:53:04,720
consciously you don't want to leave that

1436
00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:08,240
out i'm very analytical so i you know i

1437
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:10,240
tack things from the analytical side to

1438
00:53:13,589 --> 00:53:12,240
gather evidence using

1439
00:53:15,829 --> 00:53:13,599
you know tools

1440
00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:15,839
any of your listeners can go out and buy

1441
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:19,040
and do themselves right

1442
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:21,760
when you start doing stuff

1443
00:53:25,349 --> 00:53:23,280
and you're talking about maybe doing

1444
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:25,359
stuff by meditating your consciousness

1445
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:26,880
or you know or something like that

1446
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:29,440
that's that's an iffy thing i've dealt

1447
00:53:33,829 --> 00:53:31,119
with some

1448
00:53:37,990 --> 00:53:37,190
mediums and people that are intuitive

1449
00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:38,000
and

1450
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:43,820
in my opinion you know it's uh

1451
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:45,760
[Applause]

1452
00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:48,480
you unless and unless you can actually

1453
00:53:52,230 --> 00:53:50,559
get physical evidence in it as an

1454
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:52,240
investigator

1455
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:55,119
one of the things and i uh my wife is a

1456
00:53:59,190 --> 00:53:57,599
skeptic and i've been married to her for

1457
00:54:00,870 --> 00:53:59,200
40 years so

1458
00:54:02,470 --> 00:54:00,880
one thing i've learned that makes me a

1459
00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:02,480
better investigator than other

1460
00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:03,839
investigators

1461
00:54:06,150 --> 00:54:04,640
is

1462
00:54:08,549 --> 00:54:06,160
um

1463
00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:08,559
is because i was a skeptic and i just

1464
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:10,640
can't there's a light in the sky i just

1465
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:12,640
don't say you're a foe i have to

1466
00:54:17,190 --> 00:54:14,960
eliminate all possibilities and

1467
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:17,200
plausibilities of what that line is

1468
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:19,359
before i say it's an unknown

1469
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:21,280
you know ergo that's why you know i

1470
00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:23,280
became an amateur astronomer in

1471
00:54:28,630 --> 00:54:25,440
california and then out here in colorado

1472
00:54:31,349 --> 00:54:28,640
you don't know the night sky right now

1473
00:54:33,670 --> 00:54:31,359
we're getting a crap load of

1474
00:54:35,430 --> 00:54:33,680
ufo sightings because of starling thank

1475
00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:35,440
you musk i'd like to smack him in the

1476
00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:36,880
family

1477
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:39,440
you know for polluting our our our

1478
00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:42,400
atmosphere for you know monetary gain

1479
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:44,000
but that's what he's doing by throwing

1480
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:45,440
up all these

1481
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:46,720
you know

1482
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:48,400
eventually he's going to he says well

1483
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:49,520
you're not going to be able to see the

1484
00:54:54,870 --> 00:54:52,000
satellites but then you still kind of

1485
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:54,880
polluting the atmosphere our our

1486
00:54:57,910 --> 00:54:56,240
space with

1487
00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:57,920
with all these little satellites the

1488
00:55:00,870 --> 00:54:59,680
size of basketball and whatever the

1489
00:55:03,670 --> 00:55:00,880
signs are

1490
00:55:05,589 --> 00:55:03,680
but um reading a lot of sightings you

1491
00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:05,599
know starving people say oh my god we're

1492
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:07,920
getting we're getting invaded i saw 40

1493
00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:09,920
lights in the string well that's what

1494
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:11,920
the star links are

1495
00:55:15,510 --> 00:55:14,079
but

1496
00:55:17,589 --> 00:55:15,520
that's physical evidence though so

1497
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:17,599
before you can say

1498
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:19,680
and i've unfortunately i you know

1499
00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:22,400
there's websites you can go to

1500
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:23,760
and for all your listeners out there if

1501
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:25,200
you want to see what these things look

1502
00:55:30,309 --> 00:55:27,839
like you can go to website and actually

1503
00:55:32,309 --> 00:55:30,319
look up star links and and where you can

1504
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:32,319
spot them and stand out there that night

1505
00:55:37,030 --> 00:55:34,480
if it's clear night and watch me go by

1506
00:55:38,549 --> 00:55:37,040
same thing with iss space station or any

1507
00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:38,559
type of satellite

1508
00:55:41,829 --> 00:55:39,520
but

1509
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:41,839
if you guys have physical evidence you

1510
00:55:44,789 --> 00:55:43,839
have to eliminate all the possibilities

1511
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:44,799
first

1512
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:46,720
physically

1513
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:49,440
before you can say otherwise and the

1514
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:50,880
reason why you want to do that is

1515
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:53,680
because you're eliminating the debunkers

1516
00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:56,079
by doing that when the debunker says

1517
00:56:00,390 --> 00:55:57,520
well how do you know

1518
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:00,400
like the 37th panel i go

1519
00:56:07,030 --> 00:56:04,240
yeah i've got 100 uh gpr gps coordinates

1520
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:07,040
of all these things that across the u.s

1521
00:56:09,910 --> 00:56:08,400
you know if it was good enough for the

1522
00:56:11,829 --> 00:56:09,920
science channel

1523
00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:11,839
when they asked me about the 27th panel

1524
00:56:14,789 --> 00:56:13,040
they said well what do you what do you

1525
00:56:17,190 --> 00:56:14,799
got on it i just follow them with all my

1526
00:56:18,870 --> 00:56:17,200
data they're like holy this guy's

1527
00:56:20,789 --> 00:56:18,880
on to something right

1528
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:20,799
the same thing with the hydrogen theory

1529
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:22,319
you know you just can't guess you have

1530
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:24,160
to do your research and you have to show

1531
00:56:27,990 --> 00:56:26,400
why you came to that when you get into

1532
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:28,000
when you get into talking to someone

1533
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:30,720
that's you know a medium

1534
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:33,520
or a psychic and say well i feel this

1535
00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:35,839
and that well you gotta

1536
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:38,480
okay that might be true

1537
00:56:41,430 --> 00:56:40,319
but i can't prove it

1538
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:41,440
you know

1539
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:44,880
you gotta you gotta give me some proof

1540
00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:47,359
now i have worked with in the past

1541
00:56:50,549 --> 00:56:48,960
and um

1542
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:50,559
there was one psychic guy we were

1543
00:56:53,589 --> 00:56:51,760
supposed to go

1544
00:56:55,349 --> 00:56:53,599
psychic said that you know there was a

1545
00:56:56,069 --> 00:56:55,359
bigfoot family that wanted to meet us

1546
00:56:57,829 --> 00:56:56,079
and

1547
00:56:59,430 --> 00:56:57,839
so i drove five hours with another

1548
00:57:01,109 --> 00:56:59,440
bigfoot investigator

1549
00:57:03,190 --> 00:57:01,119
to meet this bigfoot family who want to

1550
00:57:04,870 --> 00:57:03,200
meet us based on a psychic because i was

1551
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:04,880
on her radio show once i thought what

1552
00:57:07,990 --> 00:57:06,319
the hell give it a shot you know you

1553
00:57:09,750 --> 00:57:08,000
don't want to say

1554
00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:09,760
that stupid you know i mean for god's

1555
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:11,680
sakes i look for aliens so how can i say

1556
00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:16,549
the bigfoot sighting turned into a

1557
00:57:20,549 --> 00:57:18,880
euphoria

1558
00:57:22,789 --> 00:57:20,559
so um

1559
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:22,799
she led us to an area there was no

1560
00:57:27,270 --> 00:57:24,400
bigfoot but something else happened

1561
00:57:30,549 --> 00:57:27,280
there possible uh animal mutilation and

1562
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:30,559
there's a ufo that looks strange lights

1563
00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:31,920
and all kinds of stuff

1564
00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:33,760
no bigfoot

1565
00:57:38,829 --> 00:57:36,000
so i can't

1566
00:57:42,789 --> 00:57:38,839
disregard stuff like that you know

1567
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:45,190
yeah it's important stuff and it's so

1568
00:57:49,270 --> 00:57:46,559
fascinating

1569
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:49,280
um and you know worldwide this is really

1570
00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:50,480
it seems

1571
00:57:55,990 --> 00:57:53,440
that uh this is really getting traction

1572
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:56,000
and i'm sure you've noticed this that um

1573
00:58:00,470 --> 00:57:58,000
it's more mainstream than it ever has

1574
00:58:02,390 --> 00:58:00,480
been before as we wrap up

1575
00:58:04,789 --> 00:58:02,400
um is that a good thing or a bad thing

1576
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:04,799
and could you tell listeners where they

1577
00:58:08,470 --> 00:58:06,480
can go to your website it's such a great

1578
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:08,480
website with i like the way it's

1579
00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:10,160
organized and it's got great articles

1580
00:58:13,349 --> 00:58:11,760
and and you've got so much going on

1581
00:58:15,670 --> 00:58:13,359
there could you tell listeners where

1582
00:58:17,349 --> 00:58:15,680
they can keep up with you and

1583
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:17,359
yeah is this a good thing or a bad thing

1584
00:58:21,990 --> 00:58:19,760
that it's going so mainstream

1585
00:58:23,349 --> 00:58:22,000
it's it's a good thing that's going so

1586
00:58:26,069 --> 00:58:23,359
amazing because

1587
00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:26,079
um it's you know june 25th last year it

1588
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:28,160
was a big i told you so when the

1589
00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:30,000
pentagon came out and said

1590
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:31,680
you know and and you know they have

1591
00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:32,640
different

1592
00:58:40,230 --> 00:58:37,680
right and uh

1593
00:58:42,549 --> 00:58:40,240
out of 144 so they were able to

1594
00:58:44,309 --> 00:58:42,559
recognize one which was balloons that

1595
00:58:46,230 --> 00:58:44,319
means 143

1596
00:58:48,069 --> 00:58:46,240
they couldn't recognize

1597
00:58:49,349 --> 00:58:48,079
the um our latest and greatest

1598
00:58:51,670 --> 00:58:49,359
instruments of technology and the

1599
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:51,680
fighter jets couldn't recognize it which

1600
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:53,599
is kind of scary they couldn't keep up

1601
00:58:57,910 --> 00:58:55,760
with them and so they throw that into

1602
00:59:00,309 --> 00:58:57,920
the other category which what is the

1603
00:59:02,309 --> 00:59:00,319
other category of this the ufo category

1604
00:59:04,549 --> 00:59:02,319
they just didn't want to say it so it

1605
00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:04,559
was a big aha and a big plus for us

1606
00:59:09,510 --> 00:59:05,839
investigators

1607
00:59:12,870 --> 00:59:09,520
when that came out uh you know last year

1608
00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:12,880
uh and and if we got things rolling i'm

1609
00:59:16,950 --> 00:59:14,640
upset with the media

1610
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:16,960
because they're not covering it as much

1611
00:59:21,589 --> 00:59:19,200
as they should and i'm upset with

1612
00:59:24,470 --> 00:59:21,599
tv because they're still pushing ghost

1613
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:24,480
shows because you can fabricate

1614
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:26,880
the evidence so much and manipulate the

1615
00:59:32,309 --> 00:59:29,520
audience that it's it's become nothing

1616
00:59:33,750 --> 00:59:32,319
but gilligan's island paranormal you

1617
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:33,760
know episode

1618
00:59:37,950 --> 00:59:35,359
uh that's for me

1619
00:59:41,430 --> 00:59:37,960
um my website is

1620
00:59:43,030 --> 00:59:41,440
ufonut.com that's ufo nuts like an acorn

1621
00:59:44,710 --> 00:59:43,040
nut and the reason why it's called that

1622
00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:44,720
because way back years ago when i first

1623
00:59:48,870 --> 00:59:46,640
started this people would call me you're

1624
00:59:50,309 --> 00:59:48,880
just a ufo nut so again instead of

1625
00:59:52,230 --> 00:59:50,319
getting mad

1626
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:52,240
i wrote it with that and now it's an

1627
00:59:55,349 --> 00:59:54,240
acronym so um

1628
00:59:57,910 --> 00:59:55,359
you know

1629
01:00:00,230 --> 00:59:57,920
basically you'll for no ufo net stands

1630
01:00:03,030 --> 01:00:00,240
for unconventional flying objects

1631
01:00:04,950 --> 01:00:03,040
non-human unrecognizable technology

1632
01:00:06,549 --> 01:00:04,960
let's head around with it ufo 9 i

1633
01:00:09,270 --> 01:00:06,559
actually trademarked that so now it's

1634
01:00:11,670 --> 01:00:09,280
that's my name so i own it

1635
01:00:16,549 --> 01:00:11,680
yeah too that's cool i had nothing to do

1636
01:00:21,510 --> 01:00:19,510
i couldn't run any investigations um

1637
01:00:23,109 --> 01:00:21,520
so your phone dot com

1638
01:00:25,430 --> 01:00:23,119
uh on the top you'll see something

1639
01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:25,440
you'll see home button checks acoustic

1640
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:27,280
email stuck

1641
01:00:31,670 --> 01:00:28,880
i get all my emails you have any

1642
01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:31,680
questions email me i asked them all back

1643
01:00:34,710 --> 01:00:33,760
i'm not working with a tv show right now

1644
01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:34,720
so

1645
01:00:39,349 --> 01:00:37,760
um if you're looking to get a tv show or

1646
01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:39,359
someone from tv down there to

1647
01:00:43,349 --> 01:00:41,040
investigate one of your you know your

1648
01:00:45,270 --> 01:00:43,359
events or your sightings oh i can't help

1649
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:45,280
you at this point but the best i can do

1650
01:00:49,510 --> 01:00:47,200
is keep the information if something

1651
01:00:51,670 --> 01:00:49,520
pops up like i said for whatever reason

1652
01:00:55,510 --> 01:00:51,680
eb you're still loving

1653
01:01:00,870 --> 01:00:58,309
so true though and uh just many thanks

1654
01:01:03,349 --> 01:01:00,880
for all the research you've done and uh

1655
01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:03,359
it's it's it's awesome to talk to you

1656
01:01:08,230 --> 01:01:05,760
again i hope we talk again and uh thanks

1657
01:01:09,990 --> 01:01:08,240
so much for coming on the podcast

1658
01:01:11,430 --> 01:01:10,000
you know i really appreciate it it was

1659
01:01:12,950 --> 01:01:11,440
kind of it was a pleasure working with

1660
01:01:15,190 --> 01:01:12,960
you too matter of fact we have

1661
01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:15,200
suspicions about it so

1662
01:01:19,430 --> 01:01:17,040
you know

1663
01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:19,440
working for somebody else right

1664
01:01:23,109 --> 01:01:20,480
so

1665
01:01:26,549 --> 01:01:23,119
only because of only because how

1666
01:01:28,710 --> 01:01:26,559
professional you you portrayed yourself

1667
01:01:31,349 --> 01:01:28,720
was a little was a little bit different

1668
01:01:33,910 --> 01:01:31,359
than other witnesses we talked to

1669
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:33,920
so you were a red flag at first

1670
01:01:36,870 --> 01:01:35,040
not now

1671
01:01:38,470 --> 01:01:36,880
but at first and that's only because

1672
01:01:42,870 --> 01:01:38,480
you're very professional so thank you

1673
01:01:46,870 --> 01:01:44,710
right thank you for having me podcast

1674
01:01:49,109 --> 01:01:46,880
all right take care chuck

1675
01:01:50,710 --> 01:01:49,119
thank you talk to you later

1676
01:01:51,750 --> 01:01:50,720
well there you have it ladies and

1677
01:01:53,589 --> 01:01:51,760
gentlemen

1678
01:01:55,349 --> 01:01:53,599
the amazing

1679
01:01:58,309 --> 01:01:55,359
chuck zuckowski

1680
01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:58,319
and uh amazing research he's always got

1681
01:02:02,549 --> 01:02:00,240
great theories uh

1682
01:02:04,789 --> 01:02:02,559
checks out the most bizarre incidents

1683
01:02:07,750 --> 01:02:04,799
happy he could tell us about the ones

1684
01:02:11,029 --> 01:02:07,760
that made an impression on him and

1685
01:02:13,349 --> 01:02:11,039
definitely go to ufonut.com

1686
01:02:14,870 --> 01:02:13,359
keep track of what chuck's got going on

1687
01:02:17,910 --> 01:02:14,880
he's always got a lot going on in the

1688
01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:17,920
research field so um yeah it was great

1689
01:02:21,190 --> 01:02:19,440
talking to him and thanks for listening

1690
01:02:22,230 --> 01:02:21,200
until next time keep your eyes to the

1691
01:02:24,230 --> 01:02:22,240
skies

1692
01:02:37,870 --> 01:02:24,240
feet on the ground but don't forget to

1693
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:44,470
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